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[REVIEW] 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 2 Premiere: Ruffling Feathers
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Your Name
2019-01-17 19:34:08 UTC
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According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE episode!) of
Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.


From NYTimes.com ...

'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 2 Premiere: Ruffling Feathers
-----------------------------------------------------------
Season 2, Episode 1, 'Brother'
"Wherever our mission takes us, we'll try to have a little
fun along the way too, huh? Make a little noise? Ruffle a
few feathers?"

That line of dialogue, spoken by Christopher Pike (Anson
Mount) to Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) near the
end of a delightful Season 2 premiere of "Star Trek:
Discovery," is as much a message for viewers as it is to
Burnham: The "Discovery" creative team is making a course
correction after a choppy maiden voyage defined by shoddy
character development, gaping plot holes and a grim story
that often made for laborious viewing.

I was even more skeptical about the show's prospects when
the showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg were
fired midway through production of the new season. That's
never a great sign. But Alex Kurtzman, who took over the
show, is fronting several "Trek" projects for CBS and is
well-versed in what makes it work.

That's not to say "Discovery" didn't have promise in
Season 1. It arguably had the best first season of any
"Star Trek" series, which says more about how long it has
taken traditional "Trek" shows to find their footing. But
if the tightly-structured first episode, directed by
Kurtzman and titled "Brother," is any indication,
"Discovery" has found its own quicker than its
predecessors.

The plot of the season premiere is simple: The Discovery
links up with a disabled Enterprise - and what a joy to
see the classic ship depicted with 21st century graphics
- and must investigate several "red signals" that are
emerging across the universe. Pike takes control of the
Discovery, with Mount evincing the same rugged charisma
Bruce Greenwood brought as Pike to the J.J. Abrams "Star
Trek" films. I should also note: Mount also serves as an
indirect replacement for last season's rugged captain,
Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs).

"Brother" has everything that the best episodes of "Trek"
have historically had: a mystery, excellent ensemble work
with a genuine sense of camaraderie, action scenes that
don't overwhelm the plot and most importantly, genuine
fun. Several episodes in the first season of "Discovery"
didn't work because it didn't feel like the crew enjoyed
being around each other - recall for example how much
antipathy members of the bridge had toward Burnham for
much of the season.

Now, that seems to have melted away. In addition, Tig
Notaro - TIG NOTARO! - is a welcome addition of the cast
as Jett Reno, an officer who has found a way to keep her
crash-landed crew alive even though she's not a doctor.
It's great fun to watch one of the world's best stand-up
comics navigate the "Star Trek" universe - and Notaro
really seems to embrace her role with gusto.

Another aspect from last season which thankfully we
don't see in the premiere: Klingons. The depiction of
the Federation's most hated foe was very poorly received
by fans, for good reason. The dialogue was difficult to
follow and the choices made by the characters were
baffling. Now, it appears that Klingons and the
Federation are at peace - and we don't have to see them
for a little while.

But there is an elephant on the bridge. Spock, who will
be played by Ethan Peck, was not seen in the season
opener. This is the one element that has left fans on
edge since even before the series premiere. It's always
been a sore point that Burnham is supposed to be Spock's
foster brother, whom apparently we never hear about in
the history of all of "Star Trek." In "Brother," we get
hints about this. Burnham suggests that Spock didn't
accept her as a sibling - which seems, frankly, out of
character for Spock, but it's too early to determine
that until we see how this story unfolds.

But seeing flashbacks with a young Spock was enjoyable,
and not just for nostalgic reasons. The scenes featuring
Burnham's flashbacks tell us a lot more about Burnham
than many entire episodes did last season. Seeing the
Enterprise, Pike and a child Spock all felt like organic
parts of the story, rather than pandering fan service.

But recasting a character that was so thoroughly
inhabited by Leonard Nimoy carries huge risk.

Zachary Quinto did O.K. though, so maybe Peck will be
fine. I didn't say this very often last season, but I
can do so now: I'm excited to find out.


<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/arts/television/star-trek-discovery-season-2-premiere-recap.html>
anim8rfsk
2019-01-17 20:41:27 UTC
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According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE episode!) of
Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
From NYTimes.com ...
'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 2 Premiere: Ruffling Feathers
-----------------------------------------------------------
Season 2, Episode 1, 'Brother'
"Wherever our mission takes us, we'll try to have a little
fun along the way too, huh? Make a little noise? Ruffle a
few feathers?"
That line of dialogue, spoken by Christopher Pike (Anson
Mount) to Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) near the
Discovery," is as much a message for viewers as it is to
Burnham: The "Discovery" creative team is making a course
correction after a choppy maiden voyage defined by shoddy
character development, gaping plot holes and a grim story
that often made for laborious viewing.
He likes it *way* better than I did
Post by Your Name
I was even more skeptical about the show's prospects when
the showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg were
fired midway through production of the new season. That's
never a great sign. But Alex Kurtzman, who took over the
show, is fronting several "Trek" projects for CBS and is
well-versed in what makes it work.
If so, he's never exhibited such knowledge
Post by Your Name
That's not to say "Discovery" didn't have promise in
Season 1. It arguably had the best first season of any
"Star Trek" series,
Okay, this guy is a liar
Post by Your Name
which says more about how long it has
taken traditional "Trek" shows to find their footing. But
if the tightly-structured first episode, directed by
Kurtzman and titled "Brother," is any indication,
"Discovery" has found its own quicker than its
predecessors.
The plot of the season premiere is simple: The Discovery
links up with a disabled Enterprise - and what a joy to
see the classic ship depicted with 21st century graphics
Okay, this guy is a total retard
Post by Your Name
- and must investigate several "red signals" that are
emerging across the universe.
Stuuuuuupid
Post by Your Name
Pike takes control of the
Discovery, with Mount evincing the same rugged charisma
Bruce Greenwood brought as Pike to the J.J. Abrams "Star
Trek" films. I should also note: Mount also serves as an
indirect replacement for last season's rugged captain,
Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs).
"Brother" has everything that the best episodes of "Trek"
have historically had: a mystery, excellent ensemble work
with a genuine sense of camaraderie, action scenes that
don't overwhelm the plot and most importantly, genuine
fun. Several episodes in the first season of "Discovery"
didn't work because it didn't feel like the crew enjoyed
being around each other - recall for example how much
antipathy members of the bridge had toward Burnham for
much of the season.
Now, that seems to have melted away. In addition, Tig
Notaro - TIG NOTARO! - is a welcome addition of the cast
as Jett Reno, an officer who has found a way to keep her
crash-landed crew alive even though she's not a doctor.
It's great fun to watch one of the world's best stand-up
comics navigate the "Star Trek" universe - and Notaro
really seems to embrace her role with gusto.
Another aspect from last season which thankfully we
don't see in the premiere: Klingons. The depiction of
the Federation's most hated foe was very poorly received
by fans, for good reason. The dialogue was difficult to
follow and the choices made by the characters were
baffling. Now, it appears that Klingons and the
Federation are at peace - and we don't have to see them
for a little while.
But there is an elephant on the bridge. Spock, who will
be played by Ethan Peck, was not seen in the season
opener. This is the one element that has left fans on
edge since even before the series premiere. It's always
been a sore point that Burnham is supposed to be Spock's
foster brother, whom apparently we never hear about in
the history of all of "Star Trek." In "Brother," we get
hints about this. Burnham suggests that Spock didn't
accept her as a sibling - which seems, frankly, out of
character for Spock, but it's too early to determine
that until we see how this story unfolds.
But seeing flashbacks with a young Spock was enjoyable,
and not just for nostalgic reasons. The scenes featuring
Burnham's flashbacks tell us a lot more about Burnham
than many entire episodes did last season. Seeing the
Enterprise, Pike and a child Spock all felt like organic
parts of the story, rather than pandering fan service.
But recasting a character that was so thoroughly
inhabited by Leonard Nimoy carries huge risk.
Zachary Quinto did O.K. though, so maybe Peck will be
fine. I didn't say this very often last season, but I
can do so now: I'm excited to find out.
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/arts/television/star-trek-discovery-season
-2-premiere-recap.html>
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Jim G.
2019-01-17 20:54:35 UTC
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Post by Your Name
According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE episode!) of
Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
From NYTimes.com ...
'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 2 Premiere: Ruffling Feathers
-----------------------------------------------------------
Season 2, Episode 1, 'Brother'
"Wherever our mission takes us, we'll try to have a little
fun along the way too, huh? Make a little noise? Ruffle a
few feathers?"
That line of dialogue, spoken by Christopher Pike (Anson
Mount) to Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) near the
Discovery," is as much a message for viewers as it is to
Burnham: The "Discovery" creative team is making a course
correction after a choppy maiden voyage defined by shoddy
character development, gaping plot holes and a grim story
that often made for laborious viewing.
He likes it *way* better than I did
Post by Your Name
I was even more skeptical about the show's prospects when
the showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg were
fired midway through production of the new season. That's
never a great sign. But Alex Kurtzman, who took over the
show, is fronting several "Trek" projects for CBS and is
well-versed in what makes it work.
If so, he's never exhibited such knowledge
Post by Your Name
That's not to say "Discovery" didn't have promise in
Season 1. It arguably had the best first season of any
"Star Trek" series,
Okay, this guy is a liar
Post by Your Name
which says more about how long it has
taken traditional "Trek" shows to find their footing. But
if the tightly-structured first episode, directed by
Kurtzman and titled "Brother," is any indication,
"Discovery" has found its own quicker than its
predecessors.
The plot of the season premiere is simple: The Discovery
links up with a disabled Enterprise - and what a joy to
see the classic ship depicted with 21st century graphics
Okay, this guy is a total retard
Post by Your Name
- and must investigate several "red signals" that are
emerging across the universe.
Stuuuuuupid
"Release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me."

Oh, wait. Wrong skiffy franchise. :)
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Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-01-17 20:18:35 UTC
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According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE
episode!) of Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
From NYTimes.com ...
'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 2 Premiere: Ruffling Feathers
-----------------------------------------------------------
Season 2, Episode 1, 'Brother'
"Wherever our mission takes us, we'll try to have a little
fun along the way too, huh? Make a little noise? Ruffle a
few feathers?"
That line of dialogue, spoken by Christopher Pike (Anson
Mount) to Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) near the
Discovery," is as much a message for viewers as it is to
Burnham: The "Discovery" creative team is making a course
correction after a choppy maiden voyage defined by shoddy
character development, gaping plot holes and a grim story
that often made for laborious viewing.
He likes it *way* better than I did
Not to put to fine a point on it or anything, but most people like
being stabbed in the eye with a fork more than you like most
television. (Not that I'm criticizing, mind you. I agree with you
about 99.999% of the time, except you're far too kind to the morons
who make all that crap.)
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Dimensional Traveler
2019-01-17 21:47:25 UTC
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According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE episode!) of Star
Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
Like that is a high bar to clear?
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Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-01-17 23:20:05 UTC
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According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE
episode!) of Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
Like that is a high bar to clear?
Some people have a hard time distinguishing between "better" and "not
as bad." And in this case, it's like saying that prostate cancer is
better than pancreatic cancer, because it kills your slower and
doesn't hurt as much.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Mike Van Pelt
2019-01-17 23:30:40 UTC
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According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE episode!) of
Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
From NYTimes.com ...
being around each other - recall for example how much
antipathy members of the bridge had toward Burnham for
much of the season.
Not having seen any of STD but the premire, which was not on
"CBS: Nothing I Particularly Care to Access", Burnham was, in
the premiere, guilty of knocking out her Captain in order to
lie about her orders.

There is *no way* she would *ever* rationally have any role
in the Federation outside of the confines of a prison cell.
Whatever machinations they used to get her out of a prison cell
and onto the bridge of a Star Ship would have to arouse a good
deal of antipathy. "This is not someone who can be trusted."
"This is the loosest of loose phaser banks." "Never turn your
back on that maniac."

Dropping the grimdark, and with any luck never seeing those
stupidly redesigned Klingons ever again, gives me a better
feeling about the series. But my feeling from the first
episode, and what I'd heard of the shows direction, was
so strongly negative, it's not that much of a good feeling.

Maybe if they just pretend the first season never happened...

I'm still not paying for the whole turd sandwich of CBS's
streaming service for just one program that I might possibly
have some small degree of interest in. But if they're
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Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-01-17 23:22:04 UTC
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Post by Mike Van Pelt
Post by Your Name
According to this reviewer, season 2 (after seeing ONE episode!)
of Star Trek: Discovery is better than season 1.
From NYTimes.com ...
being around each other - recall for example how much
antipathy members of the bridge had toward Burnham for
much of the season.
Not having seen any of STD but the premire, which was not on
"CBS: Nothing I Particularly Care to Access", Burnham was, in
the premiere, guilty of knocking out her Captain in order to
lie about her orders.
There is *no way* she would *ever* rationally have any role
in the Federation outside of the confines of a prison cell.
Whatever machinations they used to get her out of a prison cell
and onto the bridge of a Star Ship would have to arouse a good
deal of antipathy. "This is not someone who can be trusted."
"This is the loosest of loose phaser banks." "Never turn your
back on that maniac."
I suspect it isn't so much a matter of Hollywood not understanding
the military so much as they understand it perfectly well, and in
their blind, irrational hatred of all things military do the exact
opposite because they can't concieve of anything else.
Post by Mike Van Pelt
Dropping the grimdark, and with any luck never seeing those
stupidly redesigned Klingons ever again, gives me a better
feeling about the series. But my feeling from the first
episode, and what I'd heard of the shows direction, was
so strongly negative, it's not that much of a good feeling.
Maybe if they just pretend the first season never happened...
I'm still not paying for the whole turd sandwich of CBS's
streaming service for just one program that I might possibly
have some small degree of interest in. But if they're
I wouldn't pay for it for a program it was definitely interested in
(like The Expanse on Amazon Prime). I certianly won't for something
that's less interesting than the black filler between the
commercials.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Shadow
2019-01-22 14:43:58 UTC
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Post by Mike Van Pelt
Not having seen any of STD
OMG, you just described how bad the series is.
"Bad" ? No it's freaking awful. It's like all the
producers/writers/actors have to take LSD before they start working.
There is no other way they could produce such incoherent garbage.
Time to update my acronym database.
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