Star Trek: Picard Season 2 Will See John de Lancie's Q Return

‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying that the
Borg Queen was beloved...

Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.

Lynn McGuire

2021-04-07 18:17:09 UTC

Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.

“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”

No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !

2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

Lynn

anim8rfsk

2021-04-07 18:54:54 UTC

“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
Lynn

I LOVE LUCY went off the air in 1957, almost 10 years before Star Trek TOS
began.

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

A Friend

2021-04-07 19:12:56 UTC

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Just revealed to kick off CBS¹ celebration of ³First Contact Day²the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First ContactSir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footagemostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chancethe
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.

³The true final frontier is time. The new season of ³Star Trek: Picard²
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.²
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to ³I Love Lucy².
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
Lynn

I LOVE LUCY went off the air in 1957, almost 10 years before Star Trek TOS
began.

I think they meant Here's Lucy or one of those endless Lucy retreads.

BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

Adam H. Kerman

2021-04-07 22:37:20 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.

I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

Lynn McGuire

2021-04-07 22:49:55 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/

She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.

Lynn

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 00:47:05 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Lynn McGuire

2021-04-08 01:48:03 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.

Lynn

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 02:07:21 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”

Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Adam H. Kerman

2021-04-08 02:13:40 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and weâve known these numbers all the way back to âthe making of
Star Trekâ
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?

Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 03:26:39 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It’s wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
about the cheapest thing on their:

https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

You’ll find more budgets in the comments

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Adam H. Kerman

2021-04-08 03:47:12 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were

producing.

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

Post by Lynn McGuire
You'll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you're saying they left shows off the
list?

Yeah, Star Trek's budget in context isn't excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 03:56:51 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were

producing.

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..

Post by Lynn McGuire
You’ll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?

Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Adam H. Kerman

2021-04-08 04:13:03 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

was doing

Post by Adam H. Kerman
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent

business partners

Post by Adam H. Kerman
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were

producing.

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just

https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
donât know. Iâve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Goreâs inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..

Even if they charged all the sets built for the series to the pilot's
budget I'm just not seeing that number short of inventing the technology
itself.

Post by Lynn McGuire
Youâll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or youâre saying they left shows off the
list?

Well theyâve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trekâs budget in context isnât excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trekâs first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.

She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.

Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.

There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.

I don't spot any other productions at the end.

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 06:06:53 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

was doing

Post by Adam H. Kerman
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent

business partners

Post by Adam H. Kerman
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were

producing.

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just

https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

Even if they charged all the sets built for the series to the pilot's
budget I'm just not seeing that number short of inventing the technology
itself.

They did. That’s where all the money in the pilot comes from, is building
the tunnel set and the 800 story complex and the location footage with the
helicopters in the private jets out in the desert.

The same thing happens with the pilots for Star Trek and lost in space.
They pay for all that production value for the series to follow. Lost in
space seriously rebuilt the Jupiter two though when they went into
production, but they made up for it with lots of FX footage to reuse in the
first several episodes. Star Trek got two bites at the apple with its two
pilots. They used the second pilot budget to add lights to the 11 foot
enterprise model (which only appears in one scene in the first pilot!).

Post by Lynn McGuire
You’ll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?

Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

Norway is Gene Roddenberry.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.
There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.
I don't spot any other productions at the end.

Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one. And I have long since
given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
wrong.

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Adam H. Kerman

2021-04-08 14:18:36 UTC

. . .

Youâll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or youâre saying they left shows off the
list?

Well theyâve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trekâs budget in context isnât excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trekâs first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

Norway is Gene Roddenberry.

Waitaminit. I never read that Roddenberry had cash at risk. Did he?

Maybe Lucy did put up the entire budget.

Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucyâs statement came during season one.

I recall that the logo changed after Paramount bought out Desilu, but I
don't recall seeing a Desilu logo on first season Mannix nor Mission:
Impossible. I'll have to watch for it.

Post by anim8rfsk
And I have long since
given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
wrong.

Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 14:58:09 UTC

. . .

You’ll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?

Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

Norway is Gene Roddenberry.

Waitaminit. I never read that Roddenberry had cash at risk. Did he?
Maybe Lucy did put up the entire budget.

Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one.

I recall that the logo changed after Paramount bought out Desilu, but I
Impossible. I'll have to watch for it.

Ian‘s wiki on Norway. I have no idea if Roddenberry actually had cash in
the deal but I am told that at one point he owned a third of Star Trek
outright. And offered to sell it for 1 million bucks. And was turned down.
This also says that DesiLu became Paramont halfway through season two of
track which would be halfway through season one of Mannix and mission
impossible. So maybe they did start out with the DesiLu logo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_Corporation?wprov=sfti1

Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.

It spells Desi Lu as two words both capitalized. I have no idea why.

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

BTR1701

2021-04-08 04:16:58 UTC

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
donât know. Iâve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 06:06:54 UTC

Post by A Friend
In article

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)

It occurs to me you’d probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

BTR1701

2021-04-08 17:24:33 UTC

In article

Post by A Friend
In article

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
donât know. I've heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)

It occurs to me you'd probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.

What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 17:31:52 UTC

Post by A Friend
In article

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I've heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)

It occurs to me you'd probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.

What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)

Cool beans

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Nyssa

2021-04-08 13:55:38 UTC

Post by A Friend
In article

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
so he was probably cheaper. ;-)

I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.

That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?

Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones

Nyssa,

anim8rfsk

2021-04-08 14:33:37 UTC

Post by Nyssa

Post by A Friend
In article

Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I donât know. Iâve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
so he was probably cheaper. ;-)

I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones
Nyssa,

CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several shows, including:
Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they’re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

J. Clarke

2021-04-08 06:00:58 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were

producing.

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

Post by Lynn McGuire
You’ll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?

Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

Not a comprehensive list, but "The Lucy Show", "Mannix", and "Mission
Impossible" were in production at Desilu at that time.

Post by anim8rfsk
—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Lynn McGuire

2021-04-08 23:36:48 UTC

Post by J. Clarke

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were

producing.

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

Post by Lynn McGuire
You’ll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?

Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

Not a comprehensive list, but "The Lucy Show", "Mannix", and "Mission
Impossible" were in production at Desilu at that time.

And the "The Untouchables" had just finished production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)

She mentioned in her biography about having to go to New York City every
year to meet the shareholders in Desilu since it was a public company.

Lynn

Lynn McGuire

2021-04-09 02:39:02 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I would call those $200,000/episode.

"Lucille Ball is the reason we have 'Star Trek' — here's what happened"

https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7

"It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
performers — overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."

Lynn

anim8rfsk

2021-04-09 03:17:38 UTC

Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn

If she said that she would have been wrong.

So give me some facts.
Lynn

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

I would call those $200,000/episode.

I wouldn’t. And I certainly wouldn’t call them more than $200,000 an
episode.

Post by Lynn McGuire
“Lucille Ball is the reason we have ‘Star Trek’ — here’s what happened”
https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7
"It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
performers —

So she was wrong about that too.

overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

J. Clarke

2021-04-07 21:21:25 UTC

On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:17:09 -0500, Lynn McGuire

“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

Check again. Paramount was Paramount and DesiLu was DesiLu until
1968. Paramount was started in 1914, Desilu in 1950. And Paramount
was a major studio from the start.

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-04-07 22:07:14 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:17:09 -0500, Lynn McGuire

Just revealed to kick off CBSâ celebration of âFirst
Contact Dayââthe day Zefram Cochrane became the first
human to achieve warp flight and encounter the Vulcans in Star
Trek: First ContactâSir Patrick Stewart debuted an early
Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footageâmostly
showing empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as
the revived Picard discussed how life does not always grant
you a second chanceâthe teaser closes with another familiar
voice: John DeLancie as the omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in
the first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last
year, but this will mark his first live-action return to the
role since Star Trek: Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022.
For now, check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie
below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in
the first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last
year, but this will mark his first live-action return to the
role since Star Trek: Voyager.

âThe true final frontier is time. The new season of âStar
Trek: Picardâ is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.â
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not
approve of stretching this out this far. For those who do not
know, Lucille Ball was the first CEO of Paramount when it was
commonly known as DesilLu and the first Star Trek series was
shot on the stage next to âI Love Lucyâ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

Check again. Paramount was Paramount and DesiLu was DesiLu
until 1968. Paramount was started in 1914, Desilu in 1950. And
Paramount was a major studio from the start.

Star Trek, however, was a Desilu productio. (And Lucille Ball was a
real mover and shaker at the business end of television at a time
when girls weren't generally allowed in the tree house at all.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Adam H. Kerman

2021-04-07 22:34:02 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
. . .
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to âI Love Lucyâ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

One moment please.

Lucille Ball was NOT the first CEO of Paramount nor a Paramount executive
at any time. Paramount was one of the eight Hollywood major studios during
the 30s 40s and 50s. It had several ventures into early television and
did some television production in the 1950s but had no television
subsidiary when it bought out DesiLu.

DesiLu began as a production company only for I Love Lucy and rented its
studio space. Later, DesiLu bought out RKO facilities -- the main studio
in Hollywood and the former Pathe studio in Culver City -- and the 40
Acres back lot, also in Culver City. This gave them more studios for
production space than their competitors, mainly because they generally
weren't making movies.

A couple years after their divorce, Lucy bought out her ex-husband, so
THAT'S when she became the first woman to head a television studio.

Later, Lucy sold DesiLu to Paramount where it became Paramount
Television but Lucy was not an executive there.

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-04-07 18:33:15 UTC